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Sometimes it's helpful just to reproduce a thread. For the original post extract, see yesterday's daily post. (Not that I think the number of "likes" wins debates, but I got a decent number for someone writing an unpopular opinion in a lightly read libertarian forum group. The original post attempted to establish a middle ground but basically accused us as dismissing the evil of slavery. I argued that secession would inevitably ended slavery sooner without a catastrophic war that left an embittered South and a Civil Cold War that lasted for a century.


Ronald A Guillemette Not a good piece at all. The fact is that slavery was incidental to the North's invasion. Lincoln was willing to guarantee slavery rights in the Constitution. Most of us are empathetic to the South's perspective, not because it embraced the dying evil ...See More

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Anish Krishnan "Most of us are empathetic to the South's perspective"

Speak for yourself. Slavery was a cancer that the South loved enough to secede over, not to mention that contrary to your interpretation of history, the South attacked first at Fort Sumter. Most S...See More

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Evan Scott Moorman Amen Anish Krishnan! So true!

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Ronald A Guillemette You are full of crap. Ft. Sumter was an occupied fort in SC territory and was simply a ruse to justify.invasion. Southern secession was fundamentally no different than independence of the colonies. You are really a retard to believe this "union forever bullshit.

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Richard Nash Ronald A Guillemette
Have you you read The Articles of Confederation?
Have you read the southern States constitutions?

Maybe your bizarro revisionism is in need of some revision.

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Dag Gano Richard Nash -- It doesn't matter. They had every right to secede. Many states, including those in the north had contemplated doing the same for years. Lincoln had no right or legal authority to invade. Absolutely none. And, in the process, he destroyed the United States as it was founded and turned the union upside down, with a massively strong federal government dominating the states. This was never intended by the founders. He wrecked us.

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James Brazos Cole Found the Lost Causer.

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Anish Krishnan "[Lincoln destroyed the United States... he wrecked us"

- said no black person ever

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Richard Nash Dag Gano 
Were you born a zealot, or.........

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Ronald A Guillemette Facebook has interface issues making it difficult to respond to Statist trolls--and the people objecting are Statists, not libertarians, most likely left-fascists or what others call "progressives".

The freaking pro-Union fascists forget Lincoln deliberately violated Constitutional rights of Americans, including the critical press (not something you would expect of a nonexistent holy war against slavery). Don't forget the 13th Amendment passed nearly 6 months AFTER the Civil War and Lincoln's assassination. Don't forget that the Union included 4 border slave states, and Lincoln's emancipation proclamation didn't apply to Union states, just the Confederate ones he didn't control. What Lincoln was trying to do is to instigate slave rebellions aimed at destroying the Confederate economy.

Lincoln conscripted young men (a type of "legal" slavery to the State) to fight an unnecessary war. Every country, including Brazil, ended the institution of slavery.without bloodshed, including over 600,000 dead because of Lincoln. And make no mistake: the North wasn't exactly hospitable to freedmen post Amendment 13; many resented competition from former slaves, and Lincoln floated the idea of sending former slaves back to Africa.

Now many libertarians are unprincipled consequentialist bastards: they don't care about the fact that the war wasn't over slavery--which Lincoln made clear in his inaugural address-- just so long that slavery ended because of it. He was pro-tariff, and the South had heavily funded the US budget; he also didn't like the idea of a low-tariff Confederacy arbitraging his tariffs across national borders. This is not "revisionism"; it's straight up from Lincoln's own mouth.. 

Either the states were free or they weren't. If they ever had that freedom, when did they lose it? These Unionists/Statists could only use force, which is a contradiction of liberty and the very tyranny of the majority that the Founding Fathers feared. These disingenuous Unionists have all the corrupt moral standing as a wife beater insisting he's defending the sanctity of marriage.

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